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		<title>By: TracyZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TracyZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 17:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Stacey,

Legal title on real property like a home transfers when the Warranty Deed is recorded.  The seller retains title when using a Contract for Deed since the deed is not recorded until the payments have been made in full.  The IRS has specifically stated the Contract for Deed is eligible for the tax credit provided the buyer meets the benefits and burdens of ownership.

I&#039;m not sure if the IRS is unclear of their own policies or if there is something in the Contract itself that they have issue with. I&#039;d suggest sending the IRS a copy of your Contract for Deed and the HUD-1 Settlement statement along with the following information taken word for word from their own website:    

&lt;blockquote&gt;Question: Can a taxpayer claim the first-time homebuyer credit if the purchase is pursuant to a seller financing arrangement (for example, a contract for deed, installment land sale contract, or long-term land contract), and the seller retains legal title to secure the taxpayer’s payment obligations?
    IRS Answer:
    If the taxpayer obtains the “benefits and burdens” of ownership of a residence in a seller financing arrangement, then the taxpayer can claim the credit even though the seller retains legal title. Factors that indicate that a taxpayer has the benefits and burdens of ownership include:

    1. the right of possession,
    2. the right to obtain legal title upon full payment of the purchase price,
    3. the right to construct improvements,
    4. the obligation to pay property taxes,
    5. the risk of loss,
    6. the responsibility to insure the property, and
    7. the duty to maintain the property.
    Source: First-Time Homebuyer Credit Questions and Answers – Basic Information at:
    http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Most standard Contract for Deed forms include provisions that meet the seven IRS burdens and benefits of ownership.  If there is something missing from the Contract for Deed to meet the IRS requirements it should be possible to amend the Contract for Deed.

Please understand that I am sharing my general knowledge and am not licensed to give legal or tax advice. Since time is limited and there is quite a bit of money at stake I&#039;d suggest you seek the counsel of an attorney if you can&#039;t get this resolved with the IRS.

Wishing you the best with this!

Tracy Z. Rewey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Stacey,</p>
<p>Legal title on real property like a home transfers when the Warranty Deed is recorded.  The seller retains title when using a Contract for Deed since the deed is not recorded until the payments have been made in full.  The IRS has specifically stated the Contract for Deed is eligible for the tax credit provided the buyer meets the benefits and burdens of ownership.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if the IRS is unclear of their own policies or if there is something in the Contract itself that they have issue with. I&#8217;d suggest sending the IRS a copy of your Contract for Deed and the HUD-1 Settlement statement along with the following information taken word for word from their own website:    </p>
<blockquote><p>Question: Can a taxpayer claim the first-time homebuyer credit if the purchase is pursuant to a seller financing arrangement (for example, a contract for deed, installment land sale contract, or long-term land contract), and the seller retains legal title to secure the taxpayer’s payment obligations?<br />
    IRS Answer:<br />
    If the taxpayer obtains the “benefits and burdens” of ownership of a residence in a seller financing arrangement, then the taxpayer can claim the credit even though the seller retains legal title. Factors that indicate that a taxpayer has the benefits and burdens of ownership include:</p>
<p>    1. the right of possession,<br />
    2. the right to obtain legal title upon full payment of the purchase price,<br />
    3. the right to construct improvements,<br />
    4. the obligation to pay property taxes,<br />
    5. the risk of loss,<br />
    6. the responsibility to insure the property, and<br />
    7. the duty to maintain the property.<br />
    Source: First-Time Homebuyer Credit Questions and Answers – Basic Information at:<br />
    <a href="http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html</a>
</p></blockquote>
<p>Most standard Contract for Deed forms include provisions that meet the seven IRS burdens and benefits of ownership.  If there is something missing from the Contract for Deed to meet the IRS requirements it should be possible to amend the Contract for Deed.</p>
<p>Please understand that I am sharing my general knowledge and am not licensed to give legal or tax advice. Since time is limited and there is quite a bit of money at stake I&#8217;d suggest you seek the counsel of an attorney if you can&#8217;t get this resolved with the IRS.</p>
<p>Wishing you the best with this!</p>
<p>Tracy Z. Rewey</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a house contract for deed and they keep delaying my tax credit because the title was not properly put into my husbands and I name.  Is there a way that you know of to fix this before it is too late and we do not receive the money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a house contract for deed and they keep delaying my tax credit because the title was not properly put into my husbands and I name.  Is there a way that you know of to fix this before it is too late and we do not receive the money?</p>
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		<title>By: GlenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Per the Insurance issue on Contract for Deed above thread .......

Tracy
Thanks much for your comments. basically the dilema we/I/us run into is that on a 
C for D, the buyer is not listed as the deeded owner of the property in public records,but held until the contract is fulfilled. The issue is that if there was an insurance loss, ie
fire, damage,... the insurance company may view it as the insured is not the owner if the policy is in the buyers name. This is the issue that my insurance agent brought up. Now, it may be proved that the buyers do have an equitable interest via the C for D and get around that but would need to make sure. I&#039;ve gotted a lot of blank stares when I bring up this issue.
The buyers do indeed make a 1/12 payment via escrow, which I ultimately pay to cover the policy, but it does not cover their contents so I have them also get a &quot;renters&quot; contents policy.
I&#039;m sure others do something different and would like to hear from them via this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Per the Insurance issue on Contract for Deed above thread &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Tracy<br />
Thanks much for your comments. basically the dilema we/I/us run into is that on a<br />
C for D, the buyer is not listed as the deeded owner of the property in public records,but held until the contract is fulfilled. The issue is that if there was an insurance loss, ie<br />
fire, damage,&#8230; the insurance company may view it as the insured is not the owner if the policy is in the buyers name. This is the issue that my insurance agent brought up. Now, it may be proved that the buyers do have an equitable interest via the C for D and get around that but would need to make sure. I&#8217;ve gotted a lot of blank stares when I bring up this issue.<br />
The buyers do indeed make a 1/12 payment via escrow, which I ultimately pay to cover the policy, but it does not cover their contents so I have them also get a &#8220;renters&#8221; contents policy.<br />
I&#8217;m sure others do something different and would like to hear from them via this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: TracyZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TracyZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 15:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Leila,

I feel your pain when it comes to delinquent buyers.  My response went long so decided to post as its own article.  You can find that on our site here:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://noteinvestor.com/real-deals/land-contract-buyer-sells-without-consent/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Land Contract Buyer Sells Without Consent&lt;/a&gt;

Thanks for reading and commenting at NoteInvestor.com

Tracy Z. Rewey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Leila,</p>
<p>I feel your pain when it comes to delinquent buyers.  My response went long so decided to post as its own article.  You can find that on our site here:</p>
<p><a href="http://noteinvestor.com/real-deals/land-contract-buyer-sells-without-consent/" rel="nofollow">Land Contract Buyer Sells Without Consent</a></p>
<p>Thanks for reading and commenting at NoteInvestor.com</p>
<p>Tracy Z. Rewey</p>
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		<title>By: Leila Vitale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leila Vitale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We sold on a land contract in 2008, we have not collected a payment for 4 months, however the vendee said he had a new buyer so we did not foreclose. The LC stipulated that the vendee could not sell without owner consent. We consented provided certain conditions were met, such as all payments brought up to date prior to closing.  The vendee lied to us and closed with the new buyers without us signing anything, or giving written consent. He collected a down payment from the new buyers and did not pay us.

My thought is that the Assignment of land contract is not valid because he did not follow the terms of the original land contract.  Am I correct? Can we foreclose on the contract and sue for breach of contract? Also can the new buyers file fraud charges against the vendee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sold on a land contract in 2008, we have not collected a payment for 4 months, however the vendee said he had a new buyer so we did not foreclose. The LC stipulated that the vendee could not sell without owner consent. We consented provided certain conditions were met, such as all payments brought up to date prior to closing.  The vendee lied to us and closed with the new buyers without us signing anything, or giving written consent. He collected a down payment from the new buyers and did not pay us.</p>
<p>My thought is that the Assignment of land contract is not valid because he did not follow the terms of the original land contract.  Am I correct? Can we foreclose on the contract and sue for breach of contract? Also can the new buyers file fraud charges against the vendee?</p>
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		<title>By: TracyZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TracyZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Glen,

An escrow reserve account for taxes and insurance is fairly common and provides protection for both the buyer and seller when providing owner financing.

I believe it would be fairly straight forward to show that the buyer has the obligation to pay the taxes and insurance.  This obligation would be spelled out in the contract (or note, mortgage, trust deed) and further evidenced by the buyer paying an amount equal to 1/12th the annual insurance and tax amount.

The second portion of your question related to the actual insurance policy raises some interesting issues.  We generally show the buyer as the insured and the seller as the lien holder on the insurance policy, even with a contract.  Most of the investors that we have sold our paper to have also made this a requirement to selling the payments.

I have not had experience related to the method you described of showing your company as the owner and requiring the buyer to obtain renter&#039;s insurance. It seems the renter vs. the owner&#039;s insurance policy creates a question that you might want to explore further with a tax attorney or CPA that specializes in this area of the IRS tax law.  (Basically that&#039;s my disclaimer that I&#039;m not an attorney or CPA!)

I encourage other readers to chime in on the subject. Thanks for reading and commenting at NoteInvestor.com.

Tracy Z. Rewey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Glen,</p>
<p>An escrow reserve account for taxes and insurance is fairly common and provides protection for both the buyer and seller when providing owner financing.</p>
<p>I believe it would be fairly straight forward to show that the buyer has the obligation to pay the taxes and insurance.  This obligation would be spelled out in the contract (or note, mortgage, trust deed) and further evidenced by the buyer paying an amount equal to 1/12th the annual insurance and tax amount.</p>
<p>The second portion of your question related to the actual insurance policy raises some interesting issues.  We generally show the buyer as the insured and the seller as the lien holder on the insurance policy, even with a contract.  Most of the investors that we have sold our paper to have also made this a requirement to selling the payments.</p>
<p>I have not had experience related to the method you described of showing your company as the owner and requiring the buyer to obtain renter&#8217;s insurance. It seems the renter vs. the owner&#8217;s insurance policy creates a question that you might want to explore further with a tax attorney or CPA that specializes in this area of the IRS tax law.  (Basically that&#8217;s my disclaimer that I&#8217;m not an attorney or CPA!)</p>
<p>I encourage other readers to chime in on the subject. Thanks for reading and commenting at NoteInvestor.com.</p>
<p>Tracy Z. Rewey</p>
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		<title>By: GlenM</title>
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		<dc:creator>GlenM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One question I have specifically to this is the IRS item #4 and #6 above:
4. the obligation to pay property taxes.
6. the responsibility to insure the property.
How I normally handle Contract for Deed (C of D) sales is that I compute PITI
to include taxes and insurance to be paid monthly (ie escrow). The Deed is
not transfered upon initial close, COE. but held until paid in full.
On the property tax issue, they pay monthly escrow and I pay the tax 
myself when due. I NEVER let the buyer pay the taxes themselves. They have 
a tendancy of &quot;forgeting&quot; to pay them.
On the insurance issue, I have the home insurance in my name/LLC due to the 
fact that the property still shows my name/LLC as the owner of record. I then 
require the buyer to get a &quot;renters insurance&quot; policy to cover their contents. 
I feel that, in talking to my insurance agent, that this is the best way to CYA with
regard to a potential loss due to the buyer not being shown on record and the 
adjuster/insurer denying the claim because of this. The down side is that if there is
a claim, specifically liability, that it will be against &quot;my&quot; insurance instead of the buyers name. 
I feel in this method that it meets the requirements of the IRS per #4 and 6 above due to the fact the buyer pays for it in the monthly payment.
Does anyone have input ? specifically to the insurance issue ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One question I have specifically to this is the IRS item #4 and #6 above:<br />
4. the obligation to pay property taxes.<br />
6. the responsibility to insure the property.<br />
How I normally handle Contract for Deed (C of D) sales is that I compute PITI<br />
to include taxes and insurance to be paid monthly (ie escrow). The Deed is<br />
not transfered upon initial close, COE. but held until paid in full.<br />
On the property tax issue, they pay monthly escrow and I pay the tax<br />
myself when due. I NEVER let the buyer pay the taxes themselves. They have<br />
a tendancy of &#8220;forgeting&#8221; to pay them.<br />
On the insurance issue, I have the home insurance in my name/LLC due to the<br />
fact that the property still shows my name/LLC as the owner of record. I then<br />
require the buyer to get a &#8220;renters insurance&#8221; policy to cover their contents.<br />
I feel that, in talking to my insurance agent, that this is the best way to CYA with<br />
regard to a potential loss due to the buyer not being shown on record and the<br />
adjuster/insurer denying the claim because of this. The down side is that if there is<br />
a claim, specifically liability, that it will be against &#8220;my&#8221; insurance instead of the buyers name.<br />
I feel in this method that it meets the requirements of the IRS per #4 and 6 above due to the fact the buyer pays for it in the monthly payment.<br />
Does anyone have input ? specifically to the insurance issue ?</p>
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		<title>By: TracyZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TracyZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2010 14:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Atroronge!  Most of what we write about at NoteInvestor.com has come from personal experience gained from actively using seller financing for the past 20 years. 

We have also been researching how owner financing qualifies for the $8,000 First Time Home Buyer credit from the IRS website (always best to go to the source). If you are looking for additional resources here are some helpful links:

IRS Website: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html&lt;/a&gt;

NoteInvestor Bookstore: &lt;a href=&quot;http://noteinvestor.com/bookstore/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://noteinvestor.com/bookstore/&lt;/a&gt;

All the best,

Tracy Z. Rewey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Atroronge!  Most of what we write about at NoteInvestor.com has come from personal experience gained from actively using seller financing for the past 20 years. </p>
<p>We have also been researching how owner financing qualifies for the $8,000 First Time Home Buyer credit from the IRS website (always best to go to the source). If you are looking for additional resources here are some helpful links:</p>
<p>IRS Website: <a href="http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=206291,00.html</a></p>
<p>NoteInvestor Bookstore: <a href="http://noteinvestor.com/bookstore/" rel="nofollow">http://noteinvestor.com/bookstore/</a></p>
<p>All the best,</p>
<p>Tracy Z. Rewey</p>
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		<title>By: atroronge</title>
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		<dc:creator>atroronge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where did you read this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where did you read this?</p>
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		<title>By: TracyZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>TracyZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello M. Sylvain!  The down payment usually comes from the buyer&#039;s savings and is made through the closing agent in the form of a cashier&#039;s check or wire transfer.  It protects both the buyer and the seller to have the closing and funds handled through a title company, attorney, or other licensed closing agent.  There are also times a seller might agree to finance the purchase with a small or no down payment from the buyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello M. Sylvain!  The down payment usually comes from the buyer&#8217;s savings and is made through the closing agent in the form of a cashier&#8217;s check or wire transfer.  It protects both the buyer and the seller to have the closing and funds handled through a title company, attorney, or other licensed closing agent.  There are also times a seller might agree to finance the purchase with a small or no down payment from the buyer.</p>
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